by any journalist anywhere in the world, that the pentagon says is classified and publishing some portion of it, or quote from it is espionage. it applies to journalists and also applies to people within government. >> i understand your point. but the committee to protect journalists says about ecuador -- hold on. let me ask you the question. about ecuador, president correa has turned ecuador into one of the most restrictive nations for the press. i didn't agree to talk about the surveillance state. >> well, i'm sorry. look, do you want to bring my p.a.s on? please, please. so, look. let's be honest. we have a serious situation here. whatever little things that are occurring in small countries are not of concern. >> this country -- ecuador is the country that is preventing you from being arrested the minute you walk outside the door. >> including the united states, including western europe, including france, including what was happening in the former libya. we are experts in this. we have lived through it, researched it. documented it. >> why won't you talk about ecuad ecuador? >> nationa